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Creationism, Evolution, 2008 Presidential Campaign thread prior to the 2008 election: McCain's V.P. candidate Sarah Palin is a Creationist - - - Well, what does that tell us? Simply put, that is more or less an introduction to her religious mindset. She wants the religion of creationism taught in science classes. She wants to end the separation of church and state (for that would have to occur in order for the religion of crea- tionism to be taught in science classes), whether she admits it or not. As for creationism, which version would she endorse as the 'state religion', and would she block all non-christian and non-Jewish versions, similar to the way she tried to get a librarian fired for refusing to ban books that she didn't like? Of course, once you introduce religion into a science classroom, you open the door to dis- belief and doubt being discussed. Not sure that's a door she would allow to be opened, and if not, I wonder how she'd keep it nailed shut (see her failed book banning efforts above). So, read the following for a taste of what her creationist religion might consist of, and for what her creationist religion would not consist of: - - - What is Creationism? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html - - - - - - Someone wrote: > Interesting how the left is so quick to call out the > intolerance of Americans for Islam while they show > absolutely no tolerance for Christianity. I suspect you are interpreting selective views, there, as it would be difficult to assign that attribute in a general way to "the left". - - - Someone wrote: > I do not believe in any religion. Do you believe in God? - - - Someone wrote: > That is my choice. But I have a deep respect > for people of faith, any faith. Any faith? Does that include devil-worship, or Nazism or, well, the faith of bin Laden and his cronies? I somehow doubt that, but would submit that the respect you have is more or less leveraged off of the manner in which Americans have, by and large, due to the efforts of the 'faith'ful, been instructed to have a 'hands off' position on criticizing religious 'faith', from a very early age. I think if you examine the nature of religious faith, from an objective, rational, and dis- tanced stance, with all of its unsubstantiated claims, all of its inducements for mental and emotional slavery, all of its promotion of generational brainwashing of innocents, and all of its excitement over harming so-called 'bad guys', your position of respect would not bear that scrutiny. - - - Someone wrote: > It takes a certain amount selflessness to > be devout and I admire that. Selflessness is inherent in everyone, regard- less of efforts of the 'faith'ful to get its fol- lowers to selfishly promote their particular religious faith, and to disrespect the beliefs of all the non-faithful. - - - Someone wrote: > I also understand the extremes that some people > go to for their religions. Which would counter your position of respect, would it not? - - - Someone wrote: > Creationism is a religious belief. Indeed. - - - Someone wrote: > It takes tremendous faith to believe > that a god created life on earth. I did, after 8 years of brainwashing. Wouldn't call it 'tremendous'. Would call it a result of being brainwashed to believe that, though. By the way, after I grew up, I stopped believ- ing that. - - - Someone wrote: > The left wants everyone to believe the > evolution of life was an accident without > understanding that those who believe in > a god believe he created everything. He? Some believe 'she' created everything. Some believe in multiple gods. Some be- lieve in "the triad". You see, when it comes to religion, the beliefs, including their ver- sions of 'creation', are quite different from one another, though they all reside in the nature of homo sapiens, which is to fear death, to want a better life to be a reality, here, and hereafter, and the propensity of most to cling to what we're taught is 'holy' or 'true', from a very early age. As to whether or not any of the religious claims about such matters are true, I would submit that children are by and large ill- prepared to make such judgements, and that subjecting them to such beliefs at young ages is both an immoral and cor- rupting influence that many never recover from. - - - Someone wrote: > The only debate is at what point he intervened > to get it started. That is not the only debate. - - - Someone wrote: > Mocking those who believe in creationism is > mocking their belief in God. See the comments you replied to in my orig- inal post above. No mocking, there. As for belief that a magic being killed almost every human on earth (Noah's flood), my posi- tion is not one of mocking, but would, instead, be one casting dispersion on calling God a God of love and in the same breath calling for me to believe that killing almost every mother, father, daughter, son, baby, aunt, uncle, niece, and nephew on the planet was a good thing to do. That so-called event, by the way, didn't occur, just as there are no '4 corners' of the earth, just as a significant part of the ancient so-called 'holy' documents is demonstratively untrue. You see, when it comes to religion, you err when you're called to treat it as 'holy' or spe- cial or 'the only hope' or any other positive when you don't examine the entirety of their claims, and when you don't reject and oppose or at the very least feel distanced from all the untruths and anti-humanism inherent therein (IMO). - - - Someone wrote: > Like the discrimination of the left against the wealthy > and hard working, the soft bigotry of the left against > christianity goes unnoticed and unchecked. In the > meantime, the are convinced that global warming is > man-made without any hard evidence simply because > manbearpig tells them so. Well, this 'left' you speak of, sounds like its a concocted demon of the right (and need- less to say, that anti-'left' mindset is one of the many anti-human stances promoted by ancient religions -- see the christian bible for a clue). - - - Someone wrote: > All the more reason to vote for McCain and her. Haven't taken this information and checked on it yet, but on Friday night's Tonight Show, MSNBC commentator Chris Mathews had the following to say about her position on evolution: "... she doesn't believe in evolution ..." -- Chris Matthews - - - While that doesn't exactly convey which crea- tionist position she supports, that does con- vey that her stance may differ from the follow- ing stance taken by many christians, including the Cathoic church. Now, not sure what Chris Matthews is basing his statement on, so until I reserach that, I wouldn't want to put too much weight on her position differing from the following, as chris- tians generally are open to all sorts of theistic interpretations that inject God into the picture, whatever their individual creationist stance is: - - - What is Creationism? http://www.talkorigins.org/faqs/wic.html - - - Excerpt: ... Theistic Evolution Theistic Evolution says that God creates through evolution. Theistic Evolutionists vary in beliefs about how much God intervenes in the process. It accepts most or all of modern science, but it invokes God for some things outside the realm of science, such as the creation of the human soul. This position is promoted by the Pope and taught at mainline Protestant seminaries. ... - - - end excerpt - - -
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