Bill Maher and Richard Dawkins Discussing
People's Imaginary Friend In The Sky
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Richard Dawkins on Bill Maher 11 April 2008



Someone wrote:

> "God's will be done. I am in His hands." -Abraham Lincoln

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From Abraham Lincoln, US President:

"The Bible is not my book nor Christianity my profession.
I could never give assent to the long, complicated statements
of Christian dogma."

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From James Madison, US President:

"Religious bondage shackles and debilitates the mind and
unfits it for every noble enterprise."

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From William Howard Taft, US President:

"I do not believe in the divinity of Christ, and there are
many other of the postulates of the orthodox creed to
which I cannot subscribe."

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From John Adams, US President:

"This would be the best of all possible worlds, if there were
no religion in it."

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From Thomas Jefferson, US President:

"I do not find in orthodox Christianity one redeeming feature."
"Religions are all alike - founded upon fables and mythologies."

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"Not one of the first six [U.S.] presidents was an orthodox Christian.
Most of the founders were Deists, who "doubted that Christ was
a god" and equated God with "the power behind nature, as discerned
by science." "

--- Robert Sherrill, James A. Haight

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Someone wrote:

> "I am almost ready to say this is probably true--that
> God wills this contest (the Civil War), and wills that
> it shall not end yet" - Abraham Lincoln

God and war, quite a combo, with both sides in
every contest calling upon their God (or Gods)
to win, and no evidence that any God played any
role in any of them (or in any natural disaster,
for that matter).

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From Jimmy Carter, US President:

"In order for us human beings to commit ourselves
personally to the inhumanity of war, we find it
necessary first to dehumanize our opponents, which
is in itself a violation of the beliefs of all religions.
Once we characterize our adversaries as beyond the
scope of God's mercy and grace, their lives lose all
value."

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From Abbot Arnaud-Amalric in 1209, when
his army asked their commander how they were
to distinguish between those captives still faith-
ful to the Holy Church and those deserving of
punishment - they followed his instructions
exactly:

"Kill them all!  God will recognize his own."

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From Osama bin Laden, after the 9-11 mass
murders by his followers, a God not mentioned
much by religious devotees, as they tend to dis-
believe in the following as strongly as the non-
religious do:

"Thanks to God, he who God guides will never lose.
And I believe that there's only one God. And I declare
I believe there's no prophet but Mohammed.

This is America, God has sent one of the attacks by
God and has attacked one of its best buildings. And
this is America filled with fear from the north to
south and east to west, thank God."

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Someone wrote, in reply to a poster who asserted
that God exists:

> Prove to me there is a god

"The Christian-Judaic God does not exist,
and if He did exist as described in the Bible,
He would certainly not be a good role model."

--- Robert Sherrill

"RELIGION: A set of beliefs held as dogmas,
dominating the conduct of life, going beyond
or contrary to evidence, and inculcated by
methods which are emotional or authoritarian,
not intellectual."

--- Bertrand Russell

"Man is the religious animal...He is the only
animal that loves his neighbor as himself and
cuts his throat, if his theology isn't straight.
He has made a graveyard of the globe in trying
his honest best to smooth his brother's path to
happiness and heaven."

--- Mark Twain

"The Church worked hard at it night and day
during nine centuries and imprisoned, tortured,
hanged, and burned whole hordes and armies of
witches, and washed the Christian world clean
with their foul blood. Then it was discovered
that there was no such thing as witches, and never
had been. One doesn't know whether to laugh or
to cry."

--- Mark Twain

"Man is the Religious Animal.  He is the only
Religious Animal.  He is the only animal that
has the True Religion -- several of them."

--- Mark Twain

"The deepest sin of the human mind is to believe
things without evidence."

--- Thomas Henry Huxley

"When religion ruled the world, they called it the
Dark Ages."

--- Anonymous

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Someone wrote:

> I know a lot of religious people that I am very fond of
> and so long as they don't force their beliefs on me, I am
> fine with them

> Many politicians profess a belief in god when they really
> don't as indicated by Abraham Lincoln [...]


And some speak as if God has spoken to
them, or as if they 'know' what the supposed
God wants, just like the mostly anonymous
writers of the jewish/christian bible did many
years ago. Think of the following as the modern-
day bible (the following just a sampling of the
multitude of Godspeak that comes from the
minds of believers):

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Post-Revelation 1:1 "Freedom is not America's
gift to the world, it is the almighty God's gift
to every man and woman in this world"

--- George Bush, US President

Difficult to support that if you view death and
disease and torture and pain as parts of God's
gift. Try to support that following a sermon
about God drowning almost every man, woman,
child, and baby on the planet, and I doubt the
word 'freedom' would be readily thought of.
Perhaps the words 'slavery' and 'fear' and 'vi-
cious' and 'evil' might come to mind.

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Post-Revelation 1:2 "When we let freedom ring,
when we let it ring from every village and every
hamlet, from every state and every city, we will
be able to speed up that day when all of God's
children, black men and white men, Jews and
Gentiles, Protestants and Catholics, will be able
to join hands and sing in the words of the old
Negro spiritual, "Free at last! free at last! thank
God Almighty, we are free at last!"

--- Martin Luther King Jr.

Inspiring words, at first glance. However, notably
absent, a mention of Hindus and Muslims and
Buddhists and the non-religious and secular
humanists and others who have decided that the
evidence does not support the existence of any
God or Gods or other 'magic beings'.

Also notably absent, a mention of the female
gender. Also no longer socially acceptable, the
use of the word 'Negro'. As for the advances
in relative equality, notable that most churches
are highly segregated, one of the most segregated
realms that remain in a country that has made
great advances in ending segregation and in
ending discrimination based on race.

Also notably absent, acknowledgement of the
negative role that religion played in racism and
in the plight of humankind when christianity
ruled the western world for over 1,000 years
of the darkest period in human history (see
inquisition, witch trials, crusades, heretic
laws, torture practices, Catholic-Protestant
wars, and other details for reasons why it's
unwise to hold God up as the ideal to center
notions like freedom and equality around).

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Post-Revelation 1:3 "There could not have been
a better scenario to this disaster (referring to the
geese-caused aircrash in New York City in 2009,
or to any disaster in which lives are 'spared' for
that matter). It could have been much worse.
God really had to be with him as well."

--- Shae Childers, 38, of Gaffney, SC, who was
     recovering from hypothermia Friday at a New
     York hospital

As you pointed out, difficult to interject God as
involved and then ignore the supposedly all-power-
ful God allowing the geese to fly into the engines.
Typical of believers, they simply 'spin' stuff to try
to prop up their fantasies of a particular God-centric
'heaven', and in the worst cases, they 'spin' stuff to
prop up their fantasies of a supposedly God-ordained
'hell'. God stuff, every last ounce of it, from the old-
est to the newest, from the most negative to the most
positive, is just 'make believe' and 'spin'.

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