Face-to-Face With the Reality of
Christianity and ...
(Top Posts - Distance From Belief
in christianity - 050202)

... all other religions ...

OK, let's face it, the popularized religions of the current
day were all spawned from an ancient world in which
there were few explanations for existence other than
something / someone / some entity out there somewhere
somehow did it all ...

Even the explanations apart from deities, those that were
one with nature, still clung to something apart from the
natural that was somehow running the show ...

See Tao, Confucius, and others for the closest thing one
might find to a non-god(s) early explanation of existence ...

But, in any case, the christian thing ... I've explained, in
detail, the whys and wherefores for the origins of the stories,
as have many since a critical examination of christianity was
made available to humankind via the efforts of the likes of
Voltaire, Thomas Paine, and others utilizing a critical exam-
ination of the evidence not available to most in the over 1,000
years of christian rule of the western world under a "believe
or be damned" (on this earth, or worse, in the next life) phil-
osophy of existence ...

But somehow, that doesn't satisfy the modern-day devotee,
what with the influences since childhood to believe or else,
to believe (as good) and disbelieve (as bad), the critical anal-
ysis of ancient faiths doesn't seem to overcome the instinctual
proclivity for those exposed to the myths to follow them no
matter what ...

What then?

How can those ancient issues be tackled in a manner that brings
the followers to a recognition of the naturalistic mysteries and
wonders of the world as it really exists?

Look at it this way ... the way in which the christian religion devel-
oped can be totally comprehended as a result of social, political,
cultural, and religion-impacted events within the Roman empire.

The Romans, followers of a plethora of religions, used religion
as a political tool, a means to power and perpetuation of control
over many diverse peoples, with the primary goal being to main-
tain the power of the Roman state, power which benefitted the
few at the expense of the many, for hundreds of years.

Decision point - Constantine - 4th century C.E. - was orthodox
christianity (one of several diverse christian faiths) chosen for
political means? If so, if it mated to the pattern of Roman use
of religion to control its people, to funnel resources to the top
while keeping most subservient to the power of the Roman
state, would not the flowering of the christian faith be under-
standable more as a result of political maneuvering rather than
a visit from god on earth?

OK, I'm sure I've already lost the devotees ... let's try a dif-
ferent angle, here ...

The old testamyth god ... be-all end-all do-all ... can slap its
hands and extinguish humankind ... floods? Get real, it's god,
after all, so to wipe out humankind, all it needs to do is blink
its eyes ...

Now that you understand the awesome power of the old testa-
myth god, you must understand that there is no hope in submis-
sion to it, for no god with the power as revealed in the old testa-
myth can do anything but whatever it wants, whenever it wants,
however it wants.

Savior? To an old testamyth god, it would be but a game, for it
could snuff out anyone/everyone in an instance ... it could choose
to sit beside the worst of humanity, if it wished, it could do any-
thing ... no limits ... no goodness ... no evil ... nothing but an all-
powerful all-controlling all-ruling thing ...

A child dies? Blame god.

A child suffers? Blame god.

A human dies and appears before god and god tosses it into
a fire of immortal torment? Blame god.

You see, when it comes right down to it, the only way for god
to be the god as represented in the old testamyth (or any other
ancient document, as far as that goes) is for that god to be an
absolute and totally in control thing and, for that god, I submit,
there is *no* escape from responsibility, *no* way to blame
mere mortals for god's acts, *no* way to claim that humans
are to blame for anything that god, by old testamyth descrip-
tion, created.

I know, I've lost the devotees again ... for they've been
exposed to god is good, humans are bad, believe it or else ...
look at it from a different angle ...

If god is all - god can create humans in any manner it pleases ...

If god is all - god can pardon humans no matter what ...

If god is all - god can love humans despite human "choices" ...

If god is all - god can grant humans immortality and pleasure
unbounded ...

The god of the old testamyth does none of the above ...

The god of the old testamyth behaves like a spoiled child, an
evil spoiled child, at that, a concoction of humans designed to
threaten and manipulate humans ...

On that template (and a vast array of templates from other
religions) the Romans constructed the christian faith ...

I know, I've lost the devotees ... where do I go now?

The problem with the devotees is they believe no matter what ...
so how do you talk to folks who believe no matter what ... it's
that "no matter what" part that's hard to bridge ... hmmmm ...

Joe Smith appears ... does a lot of neat stuff, says he's the son
of god, heals lepers, fulfills predictions from holy books, and
he dies ... 3 days later, he walks around saying "look at me,
ain't I special?" ... later, he floats off into space ...

My, aren't we impressed? Joe Smith, son of god, right? Wait
a minute, I forgot the torture part, for that seems to be really
big in the christ mythos ... OK, let's say some "bad guys"
tortured Joe Smith before he died (and why, for the sake of
sanity, does Joe Smith's torture rate far beyond the torture
of millions of other humans on the planet, that's beyond me,
but hey, it is Joe Smith, the supposed son of god, so isn't
that special?) ... why is Joe Smith's torture any more relevant
than the torture of humans which has taken place ever since
recorded history?

I submit, Joe Smith's torture is just one of many millions of
tortures and, as such, is no more reprehensible than any tor-
ture of any human for any reason. Joe Smith, being deified
and all, *chooses* to be tortured. Humans have no choice.

Which is a greater sacrifice, that of a deity who can do any-
thing it wishes (heck, being a deity it could just pretend to
be tortured) or that of humans who have no choice in the
matter and who, being mortal, cannot pretend to be tortured
but must, instead, suffer the slings and arrows of outrageous
fortune and, due to mortality, die an ignominious death for
which no god gives a damn?

Humans versus immortals ... still, I sense, the devotees are
wanting to treat their son of god as a victim and humans as
mere sinners worthy of torture ... how do I get past that
"humans are worthless" without god / god (and son of god)
are beyond reproach psyche?

Seems to be a really twisted mental hammer ... constructed
by the Romans ... and still with us in the modern day ...
bashing us and ...

There must be a way out ... how do we escape?

... god can do anything ...

... god doesn't do anything ...

... god can do anything ...

Think about it, those last 3 sentences, and fit the mythos
of the church into them, it's as simple as that, and in under-
standing that simplicity, therein your faith / god / jesus /
church / immortality fall into the bright light of logic / reality ...