Is Proving Faith vs. Proving a Negative
Impossible?
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in theism - 081702)

The following includes an assessment of claims for
a yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater, derived
from claims for a God and the creature mentioned in
a song referencing a "one-eyed one-horned flying
purple people-eater" ...

... Just think of it as the same claimed differentiation /
simultaneity folks come up with when claiming there's
only one God, and *all* interpretations of them (over
1,800, at least, the Judaic-Christian-Islamic "God(s)"
being the be-all(s) end-all(s) according to modern-
day supposed monotheists, and all, at one time or
another, claimed to be the "Truth", and I've run across
one list with over 4,000) are the *same* and *one*
"True" God along with its enemies, the anti-Gods or
untrue Gods, if you will. ...

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Is Proving Faith vs. Proving a Negative Impossible?

Well, faith by definition obviates proof. As some have
stated, faith is based on trust. If evidence is available,
who needs faith?

As for "proving" a negative, open your hands and look
for a yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater. I submit
there is no yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater in
your hands.

Now, some might submit it's pretty much impossible
to prove that, and in that case, all I can offer is proof
beyond a reasonable doubt, while admitting if anyone
wishes to have faith that there's a yellow-bellied purple-
haired people-eater in your hands, such is their right,
but as for evidence such an entity is absent from your
hands and is imaginary by its very nature, you can wit-
ness the proof beyond a reasonable doubt by gazing
into your hands.

No matter how many powers are claimed for that yellow-
bellied purple-haired people-eater, even ultimate power,
and no matter how expansive the locale is attributed to
it (as in it's everywhere -and- it's not part of the natural
world -and- it's the first cause of everything -and- it must
remain non-revelatory), the fact remains that until evi-
dence is presented, that yellow-bellied purple-haired
people-eater exists within the domain of human imag-
ination, a "make believe" being, not part of reality.

If, and only if, it presents itself as a reality can it be log-
ically assessed on the basis of its reality. Until then, it's
"make believe" by definition.

If folks of faith in the yellow-bellied purple-haired people-
eater add elaborate "believe and live forever - disbelieve
and die or suffer immortal torment" claims to a host of
powers or ultimate power iterated above, do we still have
any evidence that the yellow-bellied purple-haired people-
eater is anything but imaginary? No, of course not, we just
have more claims.

If folks of faith in the yellow-bellied purple-haired people-
eater add elaborate dictates to "kneel to / worship / give
money to / talk to" the yellow-bellied purple-haired people-
eater and it may smile upon you and bestow blessings
upon you if it finds you worthy, do we still have any evi-
dence that the yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater
is anything but imaginary? No, of course not, we just have
more claims.

So, what do we have here, in the way of claims?

1) That there is a yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater
2) It has many powers, even ultimate power
3) It's everywhere
4) It's not part of the natural world
5) It's the first cause of everything
6) It must remain non-revelatory
7) Believe and live forever
8) Disbelieve and die or suffer immortal torment
9) Kneel to it and it may smile upon you and bestow bles-
sings upon you if it finds you worthy
10) Worship it and it may smile upon you and bestow bles-
sings upon you if it finds you worthy
11) Give money to it and it may smile upon you and bestow
blessings upon you if it finds you worthy
12) Talk to it and it may smile upon you and bestow bles-
sings upon you if it finds you worthy

A dozen claims, and nothing to show for it but faith / trust /
desire / need / emotion for those folks who seek be-all
end-all answers for unknowns, immortality, the power to
control and manipulate others, and the power of a super-
friend ... all the while fearing that the yellow-bellied purple-
haired people-eater might smite / torment / kill.

Sounds like God, yet as with God, nothing to show for it
but claims and "make believe".

I submit that faith in a yellow-bellied purple-haired people-
eater, as with faith in God, is antithetical to principles of pro-
humanism, fairness, justice, open-mindedness, respect for
verity, and esteem for humans seeking to maximize our
understanding of our place in a naturalistic world.

Furthermore, I submit that the yellow-bellied purple-haired
people-eater and associated claims (as with God & claims
made regarding God) are part of the world of "make believe",
not reality, and solely part of the human imagination unless /
until they become manifested as a participatory and eviden-
tial reality, as something other than all-powerful be-all end-all
claims / solicitations without one iota of veritable revelation.

A yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater (or a God) who
who cannot escape the confines of the human brain mates
perfectly to a yellow-bellied purple-haired people-eater (or
a God) who doesn't exist at all, not anywhere, not anywhen,
not anyhow.