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Creator/God -- Have Any Been Found?

Actually, in researching all matters vast and almost
infinitely tiny, no "Creator/God" has been found. All
that has been found is naturalistic.

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Matter Contemplating Itself

As for some matter transforming over billions upon
billions of years into something that contemplates
its origins, that replicates itself, that's evidence that
given enough time on the 3rd rock from an average
star in a nondescript part of an average galaxy, one
of hundreds of millions of stars in each average-
size galaxy, one of tens of billions of galaxies in
this particular part of the cosmos we call (in a self-
centered manner) "the universe" ...

... some matter dares to think about itself, matter,
energy, life, where it came from, where it's going,
what it (everything) is all about, as well as what
each evolved ape's place is in the cosmos.

Early on in the transition from matter to self-
awareness and contemplation, little was known
about much of any of the facts of our naturalistic
cosmos. That lack of knowledge was present for
a large percentage of the evolutionary history of
evolved apes.

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What We Knew 200 Years Ago

If you or any other evolved ape was born just 230
short years ago, at the age of 30 you would know
nothing of

the fossil record,





continental drift,

the age of the earth,

the age of the space-time continuum we
exist within that many call "the universe",

the tens of billions of galaxies with hundreds
of millions of stars per galaxy,

black holes with super-massive black holes
acting as the central core of galaxies,

the big bang,


the ever-accelerating expansion of the space-
time continuum we exist within that many call
"the universe",

dark matter making up 90 to 95 percent of
matter in our particular universe,

the probability of multiple universes,

the quantum physical world which provides in
no small way a probable explanation for the
source of our particular universe,

special and general relativity,


space travel,

nuclear power,

and so on and so forth.

In fact, and this is truly an amazing fact when you
think about it, you would be the most intelligent
and esteemed human on the face of the planet if
you were time-transported back to 200 years ago
(with a rock solid science encyclopedia in your

This would be true no matter your lack of depth
or self-confidence about your knowledge of our
natural cosmos at the current time (although it
wouldn't hurt to do a little reading to build your
self-confidence before making that journey) - that
shows you how far we've come despite our impa-
tience with wanting to know everything *now* ...

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Imagining Stories About the Unknown

Into that vast unknown that existed prior to our
recent advances in understanding, the evolved
ape known as homo sapiens (and in all likelihood,
other evolved apes, like neanderthals and other
species) imagined stories about unknowns. They
imagined super-beings of assorted types did things,
things that explained everything the evolved apes
saw and experienced and desired and feared.

They did this orally, as written records came much
later in the evolution of evolved apes into its modern

When they began writing things down, many disparate
and irreconcilable versions of imaginary beings were
recorded, all over the world. Some of those records
survived wars and plagues and natural disasters, but
many of them have been lost for all of time.

What we're left with, billions of evolved apes still teach
selected versions of the imaginary being stories to
their children, as realities, who likewise pass the stories
down to their children in a multi-generational perpetua-
tion of "make believe" explanations for unknowns.

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Unknowns -- Less Now Than There Ever Have Been

There are so many less unknowns now that there were
230 years ago, 500 years ago, 1000 years ago, 5000
years ago, 10000 years ago, 100000 years ago, 500000
years ago, as the surviving evolved apes have a curi-
ousity that, despite admiration for the myths, continues
to nag at them, leading them to explore and reveal
everything they can possibly find out about the cosmos.

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Dealing With the Unknown

Many of the evolved apes are satisfied to live out their
lives based on selected versions of the myths, being
discomforted about exploring unknowns, preferring to
live based on make believe and parental influence and
social-cultural influences rather than daring to actually
think about such matters.

However, a significant minority of evolved apes do
question the myths, seeing commonality in the "make
believe" nature of myths, preferring to look to logic,
reason, open-minded search for answers in a self-
evidencing naturalistic domain.

Also, a significant minority of evolved apes approach
the unknowns on two levels -- one on a level trying to
adhere to society-culture and the myths that happen
to survive in their culture, but on another level, utilizing
the scientific method to try to find out everything they
can about unknowns.

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Unknowns and Choices -- 1) Naturalism

Into the unknowns, you have a choice. To explore them
with an open mind, leaving the myths behind as simply
a naturalistic result of apes evolving intelligence in a
mysterious cosmos.

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Unknowns and Choices -- 2) Duality

Another option is to maintain a duality, with science on
the one hand and the myths on the other, using science
to learn whatever you can about a mysterious cosmos
and utilizing myths to fill in unknowns. That's somewhat
of a difficult combination, as science bespeaks of no
mythical beings, and mythical beings speak of contra-
dictions with science.

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Unknowns and Choices -- 3) Myths

A last option, one used by religious fundamentalists,
is to fall in love with the myths of their society and
culture, and to treat it as a reality superior to science.

That option, usually utilizing "faith" (i.e., suspension
of disbelief and doubt as an inducement to get the
'goodies' in a magic afterlife and to avoid punish-
ments and/or oblivion), interjects magic beings and
forces into everyday life.

Prayer is a primary tool, with worship and contradictory
instructions from ancient documents also involved.

In addition, asserting that ancient evolved apes who
had no knowledge of science were, on occasion,
throughout all their contradictory myths, able to hit on
"the truth", and that "the truth" happens to reside in
the myths present in the society and culture of the
evolved apes who have chosen their own culture's
myths to admire.

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