The Hell You Say ... what the hell is hell?
(Top Posts - Distance From Belief
in christianity - 081703)

Hell is real?
   Hell is death?
      Hell is all in the mind?
         Hell is torment everlasting?
            Hell is evil anti-human myth?
               Hell is our existence on earth?
                  Hell is separation from God (Allah)?

Apparently, opinions differ on such matters and,
for folks who believe hell is a real aspect pertain-
ing to a supposed afterlife realm, opinions on hell
are simply a reflection of whatever humans wish
to imagine hell is, as are all supernatural beings /
entities / places / claims -- "make believe" gone
wild ...

Most muslims who are brought up with "the quran
is the word of god (allah)" notions, most biblical
literalists of a christian persuasion, and other
variations of religious fundamentalism still hold
fast to the immortal torment concepts which have
fallen into widespread disrepute since the age
of enlightenment ...

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Hell and Damnation, from a Spurgeon sermon
http://www.biblebb.com/quotes/hell.htm

Excerpts: {never mind - go to the link to see the
type of hell _____ (some? many? most?) foist
upon their flocks, and ponder the impact those
types of sermons might have on children}

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Hell and the Church of England
http://tmatt.gospelcom.net/column/1996/01/31/

Excerpt: ... most liberals say hell doesn't exist,
while many traditionalists still preach about an
eternal lake of fire. Others teach that damned
souls are annihilated at death or consumed after
some period of punishment. In this age domin-
ated by counseling, many now describe hell in
terms of souls undergoing treatments from a
"divine therapist," said Walls. The assumption
is that a perfect God will -- given eternity -- heal
even the most incorrigible sinners. ...

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From a Newsweek article, August 12, 2002, on
heaven and hell ...

Excerpts:

... Aug. 12 issue - The most famous sermon in
American history was a graphic evocation of the
horrors of the damned in hell. As Jonathan Ed-
wards expanded on his subject, "Sinners in the
Hands of an Angry God," so many moans and
cries rose from his proper New England congre-
gation that the learned theologian had to pause
while his listeners recoiled in fear of their fate in
the life to come. That was on July 16, 1741.

SUCH A SERMON could not be preached today
--not even by Billy Graham, who has eschewed
the fire-and-brimstone sermons of his youth. If
the modern pulpit is any index, hell has disap-
peared from the modern religious imagination,
and so has Edwards's angry God.

[editorial aside -- apparently, the writer of this arti-
cle hasn't spent much time in the bible belt, as
hellfire-and-brimstone sermons are still "hotter
than hell", especially in tent revivals, amongst the
likes of Pentecostals, Southern Baptists, and other
fundamentalist-based church organizations in sig-
nificant segments of the U.S. of A.]

Historians tell us that hell began to fade, at least
among liberal Protestants, during the 19th century.
By the end of the millennium, it was a doctrine that
most Christians cheerfully ignored.

Today, few Roman Catholics line up on Saturday
nights to confess their sins, even the "mortal" kind.

For born-again Christians, hell functions mainly as
a goad for the unconverted. Once saved, the twice
born have only to worry --as Graham himself once
put it-- about how high a place they'll reach in heaven.

On television, celebrity preachers discourage nega-
tivity. Robert Schuller says he hasn't preached on
hell in 40 years. Asked which kind of God they be-
lieve in, most Christians prefer to think of him as a
friend in high places. (Apparently no one reads the
Book of Job anymore.) And hell, for those who think
about it at all, is a place for other people.

... Some Jewish sages have concluded that the
wicked perish in the grave; only the righteous will be
resurrected to eternal life when the Messiah comes.

Christianity has traditionally affirmed much more. At
death, each individual is judged and consigned to
heaven, hell or --especially in Roman Catholic tradi-
tion-- to purgatory for further spiritual winnowing prior
to entering heaven.

As in all matters not specifically covered by the
Quran, the Muslim imagination is the most vivid in
filling in the gaps. According to various folk traditions,
the wicked suffer a painful wrenching of soul from
body. Even in the grave, the hot flames of hell sear
the bodies of suicides and other terrible sinners,
while their errant souls writhe in a foul pit of snakes. ...

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HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL HELL !!!!!!
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/hell.htm
... god-forsaken domain known as HELL! In
my opinion, humankind would best be served
by leaving such mythical horror concepts in ...

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Islam Hell
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/islam_hell.htm
Just did a search for the word 'hell' in the quran
... 95 references found ... the same search in
the 'hadith' ... 208 references found ...

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Why Children Should Be Protected
From the Bible and Christianity
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/children_protected.htm
Burnin' in HELL tends to scare the HELL out of
children. ... HELL verses in the christian bible ...

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One Ticket to Heaven and Hell, Please ...
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/ticket_to_heaven_and_hell.htm
... it's travel to Heaven and Hell day, whoosh
-- we're off to see the wizard ... wizard of heaven
and hell ... Heaven - hey - far out ... Hell - bummer,
dude, too hot ...

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Belief in Hell - What Have You Got to Lose?
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/belief_in_hell.htm
If you believe in hell, you've got everything to
lose - this life, wasted on non-existent fantasies,
gods, and demons that don't exist. This life, 100
percent certain ...

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The Nature of Non-Acceptance ...
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/nature_of_non_acceptance.htm
... How do you get to heaven and avoid hell, per
Islam? How do you get to heaven and avoid hell,
per Hinduism? How do you get to heaven and
avoid hell, per Buddhism? How do you ...

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Pro-Humanist FREELOVER Daily - 091601
http://prohuman.net/prohumanistfreeloverdaily/091601.htm
... Hell On Earth ... Here is one element of what
we of non-faith are up against when it comes to
the judeo-christian-islamic view ...

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The Hell Problem
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/the_hell_problem.htm
"... Of interest to both Christians and Muslims,
a recent article in which a Muslim states 'How
the idea of hell drove me from Islam' ..."

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The Nature of Christian Brainwashing
- Immoral Path to Delusion
http://prohuman.net/disbelief/nature_of_brainwashing.htm
Cover up the downsides of religious history,
threaten children with eternal damnation if they
don't believe the christian view, and treat all
other religions and freedom ...

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Robert G. Ingersoll
http://prohuman.net/history/robert_g_ingersoll.htm
... For the first time I understood the dogma of
eternal pain -- appreciated "the glad tidings of
great joy." For the first time my imagination
grasped the height and depth of the Christian
horror. Then I said: "It is a lie, and I hate your
religion. If it is true, I hate your God." ...

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No to Faith
http://prohuman.net/social_legal/no_to_faith.htm
... god is dead and no one cares
if there is a hell i'll see you there ...

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Mark Twain
http://prohuman.net/history/mark_twain.htm
... There is one notable thing about our Chris-
tianity: bad, bloody, merciless, money-grabbing
and predatory as it is -- in our country particularly,
and in all other Christian countries in a somewhat
modified degree -- it is still a hundred times bet-
ter than the Christianity of the Bible, with its prodi-
gious crime - the invention of Hell. ...

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Closing thought on the ramifications of the decline
of religion and the rise of naturalism as revealed
via scientific inquiry ...

Wednesday, 14 August, 2002
Atheist gives Thought for the Day
http://news.bbc.co.uk/2/hi/england/2193321.stm

Excerpts:

... A scientist has become the first atheist to deliver
a Thought for the Day on the BBC's Radio 4 Today
programme. In his two-and-a-half minute slot, Pro-
fessor Richard Dawkins from Oxford University,
argued science gave a better explanation of life
than religion.

... In his talk, Prof Dawkins argued that science had
managed to explain many of the mysteries of life
and that believing that God could protect us was an
"infantile regression".

... He said: "We have been born and we are going
to die, but before we die we have time to understand
why we were born. "Humanity can now leave the cry-
baby phase and finally come of age - that is a thought
for more than one day." ...

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