"There is no god." Evidence, please, for your assertion?
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God is either real, or imaginary. If imaginary, there is no God in reality. If real, what is it, and how can one know? Why is religious faith required, if God is real?

Many throughout the world say things like "Thank God. God bless. May God be with you. God is great. Praise God. To God be the Glory. In God we trust."

What do those phrases convey? How should one reply to those phrases if one wishes to express that the God referred to is an imaginary being, an anachronism, an ancient myth?

"There is no god" is succinct and to the point. As succinct and to the point as are all the sayings that treat God as a reality.

If disbelievers should be required to express their disbelief in terms of disbelief, as in "We disbelieve there is any God", then likewise, believers should be required to express their belief in terms of belief.

In that case, the believer phrases listed above would become ... "Thank the God we believe in. May the God we believe in bless you. May the God we believe in be with you. The God we believe in is great. Praise the God we believe in. To the God we believe in be the Glory. In the God we believe in we trust."

Do you disbelieve in Santa Claus and tooth fairies (when no children are around) and, if so, which would you feel more comfortable saying: "there is no Santa Claus and there are no tooth fairies," or "I disbelieve that Santa Claus and tooth fairies exist" or "Santa Claus and tooth fairies are myths" or "Santa Claus and tooth fairies are make believe?"

God? Same deal, even more so. The size of the myth matters not as to its disputation, from tooth fairies all the way "up" to the supposed be-all end-all of all.

If Santa Claus or tooth fairies or any God becomes part of our world in a manifested and validatable way, therein would reside the end of disbelief. As long as they remain in the world of fantasy and myth, therein resides disbelief.

To quibble over how best to express disbelief would logically require one to likewise quibble over how best to express belief. Since it's acceptable (even desired by many) to express belief in terms of certainty, should it not be acceptable (even desired by many) to express disbelief in the same manner?

See The Invisible Thing for further dissertation along these lines.


In any case, we must all exist within the domain of probabilities (and improbabilities). When it comes to religion, most people tend to divorce that from probabilities (and from improbabilities), entering an area of emotions, desires, and insecurities regarding our common lack of knowledge regarding "all that is".

The social-cultural pressure (and psychological seductions, deceit, and threats) to get people to say "I believe" in regard to the God figure of one's own society-culture (in those that have a God figure) is strong. Backing that up is the general social-cultural-religious-peer inclination to treat religion / faith / belief in God as good and desirable, and disbelief as bad and undesirable.

Beneath that, the preferred response of those who disbelieve, something induced via social-cultural-religious-peer influences, is to be silent or at worst say "I don't know".

Further down the hierarchy of social-cultural-religious-peer expectations is the phrase "I disbelieve".

But at the very bottom, the phrase most societies and cultures find most disquieting is "there is no god". Really, that's the pits for many folks 'cause it influences folks to reflect on their doubts and insecurities.

It then morphs from what someone else thinks (believing, being silent, disbelieving, doubting, not knowing) to what the nature of reality really is for everyone.

It may "tempt" folks to face the probability that the naturalistic explanation for the origins of the God concept are far more likely than are the odds that such a thing as God (any supernatural omniscient omnipresent miracle-invoking immortality-granting hell-and-damnation-invoking God) actually exists.

It's almost like reaching out and touching the part of each person's brain where doubt and disbelief are stored, and activating memories of when each person has doubted and disbelieved in God. Many, I expect, find the thought of no god and the probability of mortality to be disquieting, and as such resist the notion based on the hierarchy described above.