ESCR (Embryological Stem Cell Research)
versus an Anti-Evolutionist
(Top Posts - Science - 013109)

In a thread in which evolution was defended
and attacked, a poster who opposes evolution
and who presents a variety of opinions (some
opposed, some in favor) on ESCR was replied
to in the following:

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Someone wrote:

> You must despise pretty much everyone in the
> whole world.

No, you're incorrect, and trying to help cure
human diseases through every moral means
possible is actually love for everyone in the
whole world.

I clearly see the danger of promising a pleasant
immortality (only -if- you "believe") -and- asso-
ciating that with all sorts of anti-humanism, not
the least of which are mentions of immortal
torment which has been spun down in recent
years to immortal death by many of the reli-
gious -and- claiming a magic friend will answer
your requests -and- tying all that mythos into
an institution and calling in "holy" and assign-
ing it tax-free status and establishing it as the
de facto GOD that almost every parent brain-
washes their children to believe in and almost
every politician believes he has to "believe in"
(or pretend to "believe in") if he wants to hold
political office.

You apparently don't see that. You apparently
don't want to talk much about your particular
faith as you probably know about all the anti-
humanism in it and find that utterly indefensible.

Instead, you want to attack evolution, a stance
bordering on the absurd with the voluminous
evidence making it the foundationstone of
biology, said biological understanding critical
in stem cell research which (below) you say
you favor.

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Someone wrote:

> You sound like a paranoid.  Everyone and
> everything is set against you, right?

No, you can think of me as a rebel with a cause,
or if you prefer to characterize it in the manner
utilized by Obama, think of me as endeavoring
to maximize the chances of a more perfect
United States of America (and a more perfect
world, and a much better understanding of the
totality of naturalism).

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Someone wrote:

> Science and medicine is a mixed bag of  results.
> They did fine with polio and TB.  Yay for them.
> They have not made much headway on diabetes,
> MD, CF, and about a dozen other diseases.

And embryological stem cell research, along with
the understanding gained in other cell research areas,
is humankind's greatest hope for finding cures for
disease, as well as for contributing to the chances
of extending human lifespans far beyond what they've
been limited by to-date.

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Someone wrote:

> I am 100% in favor of stem cell research and the
> politicians should keep their noses out of the lab.

You stated "Up until now all of that stem cell stuff
has been a bunch of hype with no cure for anything
in sight.  It is just a bunch of geeks playing with their
microscopes and promising a cure for everything to
get more funding."

You might notice that is far removed from the most
supportive stance regarding stem cell research. Do
you favor research into every aspect of stem cells,
including embryological, adult stem cells, and all
other cells, with appropriate oversight, and do you
have any hope that stem cell research and the know-
ledge gained from that will be helpful in curing human
diseases and in extending human lifespans?

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Someone wrote:

> I have always believed that the French were the
> world's best at medicine so if and when something
> good comes out of stem cell research I fully expect
> it to come from France.

??? Stem cell research is a worldwide enterprise, in
countries with the technoligical means to do so that
are unrestricted by religions and politicians, and
much of the progress thus far has been made in the
far east, in Israel, and in America. The travesty that
was the religious *wrong* / Republican right-wing
Bush attack on embryological stem cell research
shortly before the Islamic extremist attack on Amer-
ica had a devastating impact on stem cell research
in this country, something that heroes like Douglas
Melton battled for years, making progress *despite*
the Bush restrictions.

One can't help but wonder where we'd be today -if-
Bush had gone with the progressive members of his
party and of the Democratic party rather than going
on the attack, doing *nothing* to birth human life,
doing *nothing* to save birthed human life, doing
*nothing* but handicapping research and keeping
embryoes in "deep freeze" while couples, many of
whom would have been overjoyed at the opportunity
to have their embroyes used to cure disease, instead
kept them "deep frozen" (in perpetuity) -or- had them
thrown away.

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For further details, with links/excerts to articles on
stem cell researcher Douglas Melton, his family (with
-2- type 1 diabetic children), and the Harvard Stem
Cell Institute, and on refutations of an earlier anti-
evolution statement you made, see
   http://tinyurl.com/stemcellresearch-questresumes

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