(Top Posts - Social/Legal - 011903)
The seeds for religious-inspired
christian and islamic
anti-humanism comes direct from their foundational
documents, no twisting/abusing required. Muslims have
backups to their foundational document, the hadith and
sharia, with anti-humanism based on superstition. Take
a woman found guilty of adultery in northern Nigeria
(adultery defined as any unwed woman having a baby,
as well as having sexual relations outside of marriage),
the Sharia, she's to be buried with only her head
remaining above ground. A nearby crowd will be asked
to throw stones at her head. Oh, and by the way, in a
recent interview, one of the women who is sentenced
to death in this manner expressed appreciation and
thanks to Allah.
tortures and murders done in the name of chris-
tianity, throughout history? Let's not go there, now, let's
ponder some of the impacts of religion in the modern
day, claimed and actual, and what is at risk should
societies move away from secular humanism.
the bible -or- the quran the word of God? Many are
taught that one or the other is. Many believe it, laying
the foundation for whatever direction earthly religious
leaders choose to take them in.
pro-humanism with superstition and anti-human-
ism, with solicitations to submit to supreme authority (on
earth and in a supposed other world, as derived from
ancient scriptures / laws / perspectives) is a recipe for
people with death or immortal torment if
they don't believe and follow their supposed God-led
religious leaders on earth is a recipe for disaster.
immortal bliss for folks who adhere to the
teachings of their supposed God-led religious leaders
on earth is a recipe for disaster.
Because the manner in which preachers avoid
or apologize for and/or promote the anti-human parts
of ancient scriptures varies from pulpit to pulpit, ser-
mon to sermon, church to church, and mosque to
claim inspiration from God (or Allah), and God and
Allah are totally silent about such things.
preacher who says "slay the infidels" or "kill them all,
God will sort them out" or "if you don't believe, you'll
burn in hell forever" has just as much backing in scrip-
ture as does a preacher who says "love one another"
or "Jesus loves the little children" or "God loves you".
only secular humanistic societies, secular humanistic
laws, and pro-human choices by religious leaders (that
ignore the biblical anti-humanism or cover it up in such
a way that people are led to ignore it, for the most part)
that prevent the likes of jihads, intifadas, inquisitions,
crusades, heresy trials, blasphemy trials, witch burnings,
deaths of children at the hands of "spare the rod and
spoil the child" mentalities, etc. from becoming the way
of the present and the future, rather than merely the
shame of the past.
do a fine job of promoting their "goodness".
In fact, that's almost all they talk about. Go to church, any
church, or a mosque, any mosque, and the preacher's
lips will be overflowing with the goodness of Christianity
or Islam or religious faith or God or Allah, I assure you.
societies, for the most part, defer to the religious
views on such matters (with rare exceptions, and most
often the news media adopts a "hands off" policy when
it comes to critical examinations of religions). When the
case regarding "One Nation Under God" came up, for
example, the supposed secular media in America over-
flowed with condemnation, in addition to the condemna-
tion of the politicians and churches (didn't hear much
from muslims on that, now that I think about it).
religions don't need the help of *any* secular hu-
manist in order to prop up or defend their agenda of
perpetuation of religion as the supreme icon of admir-
ation. Money, power, influence, and control of parish-
ioners is what makes the religious clock tick, and all the
while, as individual religious leaders go in whatever dir-
ection they will, the foundational religious documents
remain unchanged, for centuries, ancient ticking time
bombs that go off, from time to time, here and there ...
and by the way, all the "good" that religious entities
do, all the apologetics they engage in, all the selective
scripture ignoring, does not atone for all the "evil" in-
spired by the persisting ancient foundational religious
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to a recent tragedy in which 7 church mem-
bers have been charged with child abuse, 3 of whom
have been charged with child murder:
January 17, 2003
City, Kansas-AP -- Seven members of a Kansas
church have been charged with abusing four children, in-
cluding one who later died. The
charges were filed yesterday
against the mother of the dead child, along with a baby sitter
and five other members of the God's Creation Outreach
Ministry in Kansas City, Kansas.
say church members abused the nine-year-old
boy who died, along with his two adopted siblings and
another child. The
nine-year-old's parents and babysitter
were charged with murder earlier this month.
say the child who died was -- at one point --
tied to a bed bunk in a crucifixion pose. A
church members disciplined children by using extension
cords, belts and other items to hog-tie them and leave them
in that position overnight.
2002 Associated Press.
January 19, 2003
A few pertinent excerpts
from a thorough report / expose:
describe Neil and Christy Edgar as people of God
who preached brotherly love, lavished gifts on kids and
helped addicts turn their lives around. They even bought
a stove last year for two elderly friends.
say the storefront pastors pressured members for
money, dodged bills while enhancing their own lifestyle,
and regularly subjected children to severe and unorthodox
punishments. Neil even kept, at one time, an 18-inch stun
gun in the church office, along with a paddle that had "The
love of God" inscribed on one side.
such as these appear throughout the story of
the Edgars, who grew up in the same poor neighborhood,
married in their teens, were ordained in their 30s and built
a church around Christy's charismatic personality.
also has touched the Edgars' lives. Twelve years
ago a gunman fatally shot one of Neil's brothers in the head.
About two years ago a jury convicted the couple's oldest
son of shooting another man to death.
the Edgars, along with their baby sitter, stand accused
of murder. The victim: their 9-year-old adoptive son, Brian
... Brian's death and the other developments of the last
three weeks have astonished, outraged and puzzled Kansas
City area residents. Fueling the puzzlement, in part, is the
silence of church members -- a silence that Wyandotte
County District Attorney Nick Tomasic said Thursday had
hindered his investigation into the latest child-abuse charges.
that silence the Edgars, their church and their deal-
ings are hardly a blank slate. In a two-week investigation,
The Star uncovered much about them -- their early years,
their calling to the ministry, the buildup of their church and
their insistence that children toe the line.
... The Edgars left Charity Holy Temple in the early 1990s
to start their own church in Kansas City, Kan. They filed a
Kansas application to incorporate God's Creation Outreach
Ministry Church on April 2, 1992, as a nonprofit at 1015
Central Ave. At some point, they aligned their church with
the Church of God in Christ, headquartered in Memphis.
covenant for God's Creation called for members to
abstain from alcohol, avoid "tattling, backbiting, and exces-
sive anger," and to cultivate Christian sympathy and cour-
tesy. Christy gave herself the title of "evangelist" and took
charge. She had charisma, she brought in members and
she helped members overcome their problems.
church's Pentecostal-style services featured a praise
choir, drums, guitar and frequent testimonials. In his testi-
monials, Neil spoke of a dark past that God had helped
him shed. "He would talk about drugs he used to sell; he
would talk about how he would mistreat his wife," Alex-
ander Mitchell said.
Mitchells, who have remained close friends of the
Edgars, offered encouragement. "They would call us for
advice on Scriptures and things," Mitchell said. "They
were busy young people."
the church grew, it turned aggressive in its fund raising.
Women and children sold candy, and members frequently
took part in a fund-raising program at Worlds of Fun. Even-
tually, the church's message went public -- on local Chris-
tian radio stations. Mitchell remembers hearing Christy
exhort listeners: "Repent and turn from your evil ways."
... For a year in the mid-1990s, God's Creation shared
space with Central Avenue United Methodist Church,
a block from its current home. The Rev. Joyce Harris-
Scott, the Methodist pastor, recalled a new church whose
70 or so members loved the Edgars. They felt so close to
God's Creation, Harris-Scott said, that they spent Thanks-
giving Day together.
Edgar told me one time that these young peo-
ple totally gave their life," Harris-Scott said. "They became
like a family." Christy, she added, did most of the preach-
ing. Sunday services, which took place after those of the
Methodists, were filled with singing, dancing and testimon-
ials punctuated with shouts of "Praise the Lord." Children,
even young ones who could barely talk, recited Bible
sermons played up her personal experience with
God. "She was very good, excellent," Harris-Scott said.
"I liked her, and I think most people did."
... About the time of Brian's adoption in 2000, Neil Edgar
took the stand in a Wyandotte County courtroom and
testified about his involvement in a child-abuse investiga-
Ray Banks Sr. -- a member who lived in a church-
owned building across the street from God's Creation --
stood accused of abusing his four children with a stun gun.
However, investigators didn't find the gun at Banks' home.
They found it and a paddle in Edgar's office. "The love of
God" appeared on one side of the paddle; "Train up a child
in the way he or she should go" on the other. ...
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