'one nation indivisible, with freedom
and justice for all' -and- 'Life, Liberty, and
the Pursuit of Happiness'...
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are ideals worthy of our national pledge, our national
motto, and the esteem of Americans:
As for the pledge (currently to "one nation under God")
and the national motto (currently "In God We Trust") and
what almost all Americans aspire to, it would behoove us to
unite under areas of agreement, as citizens of a free country,
in my opinion, and having a pledge and national motto and
national currency that all (hard to do, but almost all should
be doable) agree to, inoffensive to all (hard to do, but almost
all should be doable), respectful of the tenets of freedom and
liberty and our Bill of Rights, would be ideal.
the statement made by some that "one nation under God"
is of no harm to non-believers (and the statement made by
others that the court case filed by Michael Newdow was
inappropriate, un-American, and unimportant),
I reply as
pledge is a public pronouncement of a set of principles,
including our nation associated with being under God, as in
God being above our nation, said concept being biblical in
origins, religious in nature, and calling on children to devote
their hearts, minds, and respect to those concepts, while
associating those concepts with unity, liberty, justice, patri-
otism, and marginalizing/excluding/setting apart those Amer-
icans who do not believe in God -or- who believe in any
supernaturalistic adventure apart from the monotheistic God
say those of distance from faith, as God is the anti-
thesis of unity, liberty, justice, and patriotism for Americans
who have found monotheism lacking in respect for human
rights and for our one and only sure chance at existence.
is not an American. God belief is not consistent with
the veritable and honorable principles by which humankind
should live, say about 33 million Americans.
nation" - cool, very unifying, very inclusive ...
nation under God" - uncool, very divisive ...
this is one nation for all, then disbelieving Americans
are part of the mix, and should never be marginalized /
excluded in deference to religion, when it comes to govern-
ment laws, as clearly iterated in the 1st amendment of the
Bill of Rights.
persons have been spending a great deal of
effort to detail the harm to persons uninformed or misin-
formed regarding such matters, the insult to our integrity
and patriotism, the divisive nature of the phrase in a country
which is a "melting pot" of diverse ethnicities / faiths / back-
grounds / distances from faiths, a pluralistic nation founded
on the principles of secular government with our legislative
body making no laws respecting an establishment of religion.
another post, background on why it's uncool to im-
pose "one nation under God" upon disbelievers ... noting
that believers can believe in anything to their heart's content,
it's just downright un-American, rude, and insulting to impose
beliefs into a pledge to "one nation under God", disrespect-
ing the 1st amendment, all Americans who don't believe in
any God, and all Americans with supernaturalistic faiths apart
from the monotheistic one ...
another way, if the phraseology said "one nation under no
God or gods", would believers be at peace with that phrase?
as for disbelievers in "one nation under God",
that phraseology is religious in nature, direct from the theol-
ogy of the bible in which nation and God are discussed in
many passages, some including God wiping out or threatening
to wipe out nations that are not "under him". It pays homage
to a religious God, promotes religious faith, and excludes /
marginalizes Americans who ...
don't believe God even exists,
don't want anything to do with promotion of ancient super-
don't respect God because of all the evil perpetuated in God's
name and in religious dogma,
don't seek God because that resides in the area of unknowns
best left to human science and exploration,
don't believe in worshipping / talking to / bowing to / or fear-
ing any imaginary beings,
don't know what in the world the God is that the nation is
supposed to be under,
don't want anything to do with a God that's promoted as an
evil / killing / hateful being towards those who don't jump through
the right hoops,
don't want anything to do with a God used during the inquisi-
tion, used to justify the torture/murder of witches, used to justify
the imprisonment/torture of heretics, used to justify the mass
murders of those not following the "right God" in the "right
used as a method of power/control/manipulation/blackmail, and
used in the hindrance of science, logic, reason, and human search
for cures and a better life in this, our one and only sure chance
do recognize or suspect that God is myth, every last one of
do respect science and defy the efforts of creationists to push
God into classrooms,
do respect naturalism and sole human responsibility, far re-
moved from ancient delusions and obsessions with a "God of
make believe treated as reality", to do our very best to live as
long, as veritably, and as pleasantly as is possible in this, our
one and only sure chance at it,
do accept that "the call to blind faith is really a call to barbar-
ism and slavery, for in being asked to believe without evidence,
we are being asked to abdicate our integrity, as freedom of
speech and freedom of action are meaningless without freedom
to think, and there is no freedom of thought without doubt"
(paraphrase of a passage from "A Tale of a Tub", by Bergen
do oppose the brainwashing of children into God fear which
includes "believe or else" notions of existence that children
don't want to have anything to do with God if that's the God
that the terrorists prayed to as they murdered over 2,800 Amer-
icans and citizens from nations all over the globe, folks of many
diverse faiths, backgrounds, and distance from faiths.